Apologies for the use of the word "blood" in the title, as it is one of my pet peeves that in RBTI the refractometer is thought of as a tool that monitors blood sugar, which it doesn't. But it does show an incredible connection to available sugar - or what you might call sugar levels in the brain and muscle and available to the cells. Because of that, the refractometer continues to impress me, as it's about the most simple, inexpensive, and easy-to-use health tool on the planet (up there with the thermometer). And it demystifies "hypoglycemia," a condition that the mainstream medical establishment more or less doesn't recognize, nor should they, as hypoglycemia means low, sugar, blood. Having low levels of sugar in the blood is an extreme rarity in today's day and age. Having radical fluctuations in available carbohydrate is another story altogether, and that is revealed not in the blood, but in the urine.
This is one of my favorite Challen Waychoff videos that I've posted thus far. In the video he discusses the fluctuation or "the wobble." This is a central theme in RBTI - trying to eat and drink in a way that makes this fluctuation smaller - allowing your body to heal itself more effectively, gain energy, and "pick up more vitamins and minerals from the food that you eat." Enjoy, and stay tuned for next week for an exciting interview series with 180DegreeHealth's "biggest loser," who has lost 130 pounds and counting eating the food...
Okay, two questions: 1. How are the eating times affected by what time I get up in the morning (usually 9:45 when I'm eating breakfast)? And 2. What if I am absolutely NOT hungry by dinnertime...is it okay not to eat at all (this is following the meal time rules - big lunch)? Thanks!!
The eating schedule is based off the sun, not what time you get up or go to bed or eat breakfast. So 2pm is the cutoff for meats n' sweets.
I would still nibble on something at dinner time. I'm not hungry either so I know what you mean. But I suspect skipping it altogether to be a bad idea, and may have some negative long-term consequences. But you are welcome to try it and report back after a while.
I don't think juice (or fruit) is allowed after 2:00 p.m. unless sugars are low but I have been eating a couple of pieces of cheese "for dinner" even 'tho I'm not hungry because I'm afraid of waking up hungry or possibly disrupting my blood sugar. Thanks Matt!
I asked Challen this yesterday because the last few days, I have had no desire to eat at supper. He told me that I should eat a salad and veggies anyway. Deedle
Thanks for this video, I've been following your series on Challen and am very intrigued. How would one look into his program or his rules for eating? Do you physically have to see him? Thanks, Matt!!
Can someone just get by with getting a refractometer, eating big lunches, and following the basic rules and still heal? I don't have major health issues and neither do my kids but there is room for improvement. I could get some ph strips too. But can we do any harm? Most specifically can we do any harm by eating regular desserts and drinking distilled water. We didn't eat too much sugar before I started following RBTI with just the basic rules I was pretty strict about sugar and refined foods. I'm trying to be much more flexible. Which is one reason I don't want to do RBTI all the way.
I am feeling much better today. Sugars feel much more stable. Not having allergy attacks like I was a couple days ago and I slept through the night (almost - had to pee at 5am). Brain feels slightly more clear. So far I am not running to a bacon stand.
I do find the biorhythm element of this very intriguing. Still can't seem to get my head or body around eating enough at lunch essentially not to need to eat again that day--but I know some people who seem to work like that 'naturally.'
I have been following RBTI for about 6 weeks now and am still having those BS dips between 11am-2pm. Find myself kind of breathless upon climbing stairs and not clear in the head either. I'm already eating lots of sugar up until 2pm to try to balance this out. Maybe drinking a little less water in the morning is what I'm wondering. Any suggestions?
It's normal to have those dips. The point is to slowly work on getting better, and to make sure to have a bite of fruit when they do collapse. You can buy a cheap refractometer for like $30 and really start to figure some of this stuff out.
Ela-
It only takes a couple of weeks to get there. I don't even really have to eat extra now. I'm just "naturally" not hungry anymore even though 2 months ago I was naturally starving at dinner time!
Kelly Anne-
You can't do damage with the distilled water unless you drink too much of it, which you won't if you have a refractometer. I think your general plan and attitude towards this as a mom and pretty healthy lady is right on.
Vaughters-
You can call up Challen directly and start right away (304) 230-9283 or you can wait for some of my materials to come out which give you great details on how to follow the program directly. You definitely don't need to see Challen face to face. Pretty much anybody who knows his program can help you through it. It's easy and not that complicated. Just seems a little complicated at first.
Matt - what do you think about the assertion that it is better to never start RBTI than to start and then stop. I presume that applies to the systematic lemonade, rather than "casual" RBTI (meal timing, no foods etc). And when would it ever be safe to stop?
Yesterday I hardly drank water and the Brix stayed between 2.5 and 4.5. I didn't drink much else though (don't really enjoy juice or store milk) and I felt really dehydrated by bedtime. This morning I had a couple of glasses of water and it fell to 0.5, back up to 2.5 after lunch. Definitely cool to watch.
Second question - should I be drinking close to or as much juice/milk/soda as I would have had water? I normally am an only water drinker, and I like it... Would kombucha, while maybe not ideal, at least be better than water?
It's interesting to note that the urine color doesn't always correlate with the Brix reading. It seemed to at first, but after 3 days I can see that it doesn't always.
Matt, someone suggested a few days ago that you might do a post about why we shouldn't be concerned about distilled water. I just wanted to 2nd that! Thanks!
I like that Challen talks about doing this and it growing on you, and taking a little time to want to follow more of the rules.
Went away for a few days and had a chance to eat out and do bigger meals at lunch. I think I can get used to it. The benefit too, when eating out: lunch is usually cheaper than dinner for the same amount of food. Ca-ching!
Also, if we're talking about the sun here, what about funky timezone stuff. I mean, you can be in Jasper, Indiana and it's 1pm, then head south along the same longitude and be in Benton, and it's 2pm. Or you can be at 2pm in Indiana, and it's the same 2pm as in Maine, even though the sun's sky position is different.
Not saying to ignore the 2pm rule, but it's not totally cut and dry. To do that, we'd probably have to be using sundials and have the same angle as a cut off, rather than a somewhat fluffy hourly block.
That's why I suggested every kit should come with a sundial several days ago. Everybody ignored me then! Somebody on FB asked about when the time change occurs and was shot down like they were an idiot... hmmm, yes, because the time change actually changes the position of the sun relative to the earth... never mind the fact that time according to the position of the sun has a huge variance across a "time zone" which has only been in existence since the late 1800's.
So saying eating sweets at 1:45 is fine, but at 2:15 will tank your system - and then saying it's all based on the sun - is crazy logic. And people call me difficult. I'm not saying it's wrong, or there's nothing to it. Just that any of us with a little science knowledge is going to be incapable of blindly accepting things because Reams said so.
Can you tell I've held back my opinions of FB? Since I don't believe in FB, I've been borrowing a friend's account, and I don't want her to get slammed because the "science" is tying me in knots. (Matt, dammit, stop posting interesting stuff over there and leaving us out, then I wouldn't have to skulk on FB like this!)
The FB post about how Reams could do the chemistry experiments using math only... sheesh. I did chemistry last year with the kids, and because we didn't have a lot of the equipment, we worked out what the expected outcome of each experiment should be - and my 9yo was perfectly capable of doing that. It's just common sense, it doesn't require any particular aptitude at chemistry or math. In my own chem and physics labs, if I knew I had boffed the experiment somehow, I was able to work backwards and come up with the appropriate "lab notes" (shhh, don't tell my proffs that!). I'm not an Einstein level genius, it's not at all hard. All these things Reams is purported to have said make him sound like a self-aggrandizing looney and make me doubt the validity of RBTI more and more. But I guess if you don't know any better, it sounds good.
Well, I appreciate that the FB group is for people more interested in the 'how to do it' of RBTI rather than the 'why'. For me, there is no how without why. But I can understand not everybody cares... I mean, I guess I don't care about why a car engine works, so much as how to drive one.
Still, it's funny when a good science discussion actually gets going on FB, and then the insults start, and then the whole thing gets deleted. But like I said, Matt is so much more active over there that if I want to catch the good stuff, I have to lurk (and then vent here).
And if somebody was questioning why a car engine worked and said it had nothing to do with my theory of positive vibes from the driver (please don't fail me now, car! good car!), I'd hope I wouldn't just insult them and say they're too rude to want to learn about how a car really works.
Maybe my sweetness quotient is dropping even more. Brix just fell by 0.5...
Missed that comment, Lorelei. Was it on the blog or facebook? Obviously I'm not too active here, and completely absent there.
Agree with that point- 1:45 but not 2:15 is kind of crazy unless it's tied to a specific position of the sun relative to where you find yourself.
It seems like RBTI has its own logic, but what you're pointing out is that sometimes that logic is not internally consistent. As a fan of comic books, that is all too familiar and irksome (hah). Keep on trucking, lady- glad for your observations.
Can we please have a balanced discussion here in a real online forum? Please?! I don't have any faith in the intelligence (common sense) of people who actually take facebook seriously. Seriously?!
Oh, I wouldn't dare use my gf's FB account to post. I just lurk. No, I do all my venting here.
Did you miss me telling you how darn much I love that Vitaclay? Fantastic choice on my part - yay me!
RBTI is human derived after all. There are bound to be mistakes and inconsistencies. I am (STILL) not saying it doesn't work. I just hate the random almost-scientific reasoning behind it - and then you have to wonder what part of RBTI practices are wrong because the theory is not sound.
SJ and metoo - we really need Matt here. Not only does he have experience with RBTI, he has the scientific brain to make it make sense. We could discuss the science all we want, but without seeing RBTI in action, I think it's sort of pointless (I just like to vent about the stupid science-y sounding non-science). Matt's obviously sold that it works. He's writing a book and maybe that will explain all. Hell, if he wants to charge for all his work, he really should. I haven't figured out how he earns any money yet (male gigolo?). I miss his insightful science-y comments though.
That Vitaclay comment sent my way, Lorelei? I did miss you saying you dug it, though I do remember responding about my experience with it. Glad it's working well for you.
As for Matt I think he's supported by viewers (and readers) like us, through eBooks mainly. He certainly doesn't do this for the money, which is why I am eager to throw down for him. He offers a lot to my thinking, and I want to help make it possible for him to keep on with that.
I know he has those ebooks, but that can't be enough to survive on. I willingly pay too, because he is obviously in this only to help others... but the man must live on nothing, have a secret stash of moolah, or be a gigolo. I'm voting for gigolo in the sense of Deuce Bigolow.
Lorelei-I really appreciate all your comments. Enlightening too to learn that all the action is happening over on FB. I haven't joined the group(s) because I wasn't sure I needed yet another channel of bombardment but if that's where all the interesting discussion is happening...
I had wondered that exact same thing about timezone changes, daylight savings, the arbitrariness of time anyway--but having a body clock somewhat related to the tempo of the sun sort of makes sense. We're right at the equinox now, which means that pretty soon it's going to be _dark_ up here! Does that mean that '2 o'clock' is a shrinking window when there are only 5 hours of daylight? Etc, etc...
The PUNisher, excuse you but I'm a dudette. Thank you very much! :p
No thanks, I'll continue to pass on facebook. I have a life. But you all have fun playing reindeer games over there. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what people 'say' about RBTI. It either works or it doesn't and the only way to find out for sure is to try it yourself.
Lorelei, Don't expect too much in terms of scientific rigor in everyday life. I've learned most people are pretty horrible at it. FB is going to be no exception.
There was a discussion going last night about deaths related to pulminory embolism and how it might be related to WAPF style diets. The evidence was anecdotal and others started tossing in dtories about GAPS. It sort of built its own momentum in a groupthink, confirmation-bias way. There was no real evidence to support the idea that WAPF followers are more susceptible to pulimonry embolism.
This is how rumors and ghost stories and many other non-scientific bits of information spread. It is just how thehuman mind works. Accept it.
What you are getting when you hear information like this is not contrary information or negative information. It is no information. It is noise, and not signal, and your job is to tune into signal and reject noise. Information like this provides no support for making an analysis, either pro or con.
The sun / time thing is actually really easy. Two o'clock is an approximation of a certain point in the circadian rhythm. If you change time zones, you follow the rules based on the time zone you came and shift as you adapt to your new locale.
I agree with many posters here that the introduction and discussion that was started by Pippa and Matt here should continue here instead of taking it off to FB. I will not join FB...so many will say that that is my loss I suppose.
I was so excited to when I found Matt's blog... before the RBTI... and was hoping he would continue on with more RBTI responses to those of us here in the same vein as his previous entries, but I actually have been highly disappointed. Many, many inquisitive questions were asked and never got addressed. It has been like a suspense novel for weeks on end. What WILL the next installment bring?? Will our questions finally be answered?? I'm still waiting...
I don't mind researching on my own, and I have now for weeks. It was actually quite daunting at first to find ANYTHING, but through diligent research I have made great headway.
And I realize Matt was working with Challen and that Challen has quite an innate talent for "reading the numbers", but Matt has made him a G-D as if Challen stands heads above any others and that he is the be-all-end-all in RBTI. That is just not true although there are very few practitioners and teachers that publically advertise their knowledge and expertise...and understandably so because of what backlash might occur from TPTB. There ARE other competent people out there folks. Don't be hoodwinked into believing otherwise.
I have been fortunate enough to have been able to purchase the equipment and coursework that will move me forward in learning RBTI to assist myself and others if they so wish. It really is fascinating using the tools, seeing the numbers and trying to decipher where you are and where you need to be.
All this said.. above and here, I look forward to further input from Matt when people ask questions. He's so good at cutting through the bs and giving a straight answer. I will not abandon ship, but I hope Captain Matt takes back the helm like he used to in past discussions.
RBTI is rather simple and yet complicated all at the same time. I look forward to seeing Matt's wonderful use of navigational skills in order to keep us all enlightened and moving in a healthy direction.
What's up with all the facebook haters? Your putting too much effort into it...I don't particularly like it either..I just treat it like a tool-just like my cell phone, computer, etc....It's free. Why not? MeleMel
Rob and Lorelei and anyone interested (what are your thoughts, Matt?),
Here was the daylight savings exchange on facebook:
Me: How does daylight savings affect the recommendation to finish lunch before 2 pm? Like, after we set our clocks back an hour, can you really eat lunch at 1:15 when the day before at the same time would have been 2:15?
Brock: The 2 pm time is driven by your circadian rythmn, which is driven by what time you go to bed. So it's always 2 pm.
Me: Is that really all there is to it? I've heard something to the effect that the feeding schedules of many animals are strictly regulated by external time-of-day cues, such as the angle at which sunlight hits their eyes (which changes throughout the day)... which is obviously not changed by humans calling 2 pm "2 pm" one day and then calling 2 pm "1 pm" the next. I would have thought the 2 pm lunch rule was based on some similar pattern of our bodies' behavior being cued by external forces. Furthermore, if my circadian rhythm is only driven by what time I go to bed (and that's the only supposed basis for finishing lunch by 2 pm), then if I usually go to bed at 10 pm and eat lunch the following day at 1 pm, does this mean if I should suddenly start going to bed at 1 am every night, it's just as good then to eat lunch at 4 pm every day?
Brock: Mike, yeah, more or less. Your circadian rhythm is effected by sunlight and such, but the most powerful control is your normal bedtime.
the whole thing with keeping your sugar stable to pick up more minerals makes me think thats why the milk diet works like it does if you do it correctly, but can have adverse effects if you dont do it right.
If you do it correctly by drinking small amounts of milk every 30 minutes your blood sugar will remain stable all day (while at the same time you are flooding your body with nutrients). But if you drink large amounts of milk at one time your blood sugar will fluctuate drastically... that explains a lot
Still wrapping my head around this all. As someone pointed out, Martin Berkhan had an article recently about the benefits of late night eating, and as Ryan Koch said in one of his videos, the human body can adapt to just about anything. So eating with some regularity, whatever it looks like, probably aids in adaptation.
Based on that comment of Brock's, it sounds like RBTI would prescribe a regular bedtime of a certain hour too- is that right?
Research the beginnings of Facebook and all it's underpinnings and maybe you'll get an inkling why some of us choose to steer clear of it. It's a tool alright... but not just in the way you happen to simplistically look at it.
For those of you worried about FACEBOOK, why don't you just open a fake account? I closed my "real" FB account years ago, but I made a new one just to get the RBTI info.
And Lorilei, there are 2 RBTI groups on FB. You would be welcome to join the one that Brock started, as it is more of a "debate" forum. I actually re-posted one of your comments there last week.
metoo, thanks- I understand.. that's how I felt about fb for a long time..
Mike Jones, very interesting-a sundial is a good idea- or just hammer a steak (as straight as possible- maybe T bone-jk) in the ground, in a sunny place, and put a nail in the ground at the end of the stake's shadow every 15 mins between 11am and 3pm, 2 hours away from the shortest length (the shortest length representing solar noon, and solar north) would be the time to stop eating meat- if it is related to the sun, that is. This time would change throughout the year. I used this trick regularly when I did construction...
The milk diet probably works for that reason and also because it is "systematic hydration" and because the minerals you take in are off the charts. Only problem is, the fat is too much for some people, milk makes you way overly-alkaline (causing me foot pain, lower back pain, constipation, earache, nasal congestion, asthma, allergies, swollen throat - clearing throat a lot). Interesting that the milk diet gurus advocated for people having problems to drink skim milk and add oranges to it. In RBTI citrus brings down pH more than any other food.
Hawaii Girl-
Sorry I have been unfaithful to you by wandering off into Facebook. I really don't want to spend that much time there. It's just that I'm at a loss, completely, for explaining some of this stuff. And more eager to see how people are responding to it. The most important way to figure that out is to make sure people are following it correctly.
I would drink juice, or at least diluted fruit juice by the way.
I don't even really read much about the theory behind it because it is useless, and I don't like repeating stuff that makes me sound like an idiot.
My favorite Reams-ism is... (paraphrasing, in Foghorn Leghorn-ese)...
"Ya see ya see those black folk are too anionic because ya see ya see they black skin absorbs more of the sun's energy ya see ya see, and they absorb more Vitamin D, which makes them more alkaline and constipated."
Really Reams? Africans absorb more vitamin D? That's why they have that dark skin? To absorb more of the sun's energy.
Yes, believe it or not, I don't waste time reading Reams.
But I do believe that there is validity to the monitors of perfect body chemistry that he chose to focus on. And that he was able to test and see what adversely affected body chemistry. And then create a program and system based on that. One that works. It's not infallible like Challen thinks it is. That doesn't mean it isn't useful. I think it's very useful.
Just like it's useful to know that perfect fasting blood sugar should be below 90 and postprandial below 120. Or that body temperature should be above 98F. Or blood pressure below 140/90.
I think the difference is that Reams really did create a system that could fix those parameters when they were out of line. Modern medicine doesn't know how to fix high blood pressure, high blood sugar, or low body temperature.
Huh, so I am assuming you would be really screwed if you lived in Barrow, Alaska and were trying to do RBTI. There are about 85 days in the summer where Barrow has continuous sunlight, and in the winter there are days where the sun doesn't rise. Body sugars must go wacky in that place.
This is cool! So, Challen does mean ~2pm solar time! I'm glad; this makes the whole Wheeling time zone v solar time so easy! Everyone who's trying rbti, oughta try the solar clock (as described above- re-do it like once a month, and keep all the info to track the sun), if this is too tedious this solar time calculator is fun to play with (this is way more detailed than the makeshift solar clock, btw)
@AndrewH--right! It's just starting to get noticeably dark up here.
Reminds me of those folks who thunder that no one should ever eat after sunset or before sunrise--a seriously small window up here in December! I guess if you want to do IF, there's another motivation for it...
Your lack of maturity shines through in your comments, especially in the one below. In a facebook exchange on the below topic, there were 8-9 comments (some being one or two-word comments) between 2-3 people on a list of almost 200 members. This amounts to an EXTRAORDINARILY brief discussion and does not in any way represent the overall discussion content of that group. In fact, your entire comment above is longer than the exchange you are criticizing.
Geeeeez. Do you go to parties, over hear a conversation you don't like between two people and then run somewhere else and cast judgement on the entire party.
Lighten up, dude and get a life. You really made a big leap in judgment on such a small conversation. I hope you're not planning on getting into anything scientific.
The problem is that your own expectations of that group are not what it is about. Start your own RBTI group and take it into the direction you want.
As a member of this particular facebook group, I would appreciate it if you would un-join if you are just going to unjustifiably insult members in another forum for making off topic small-talk.
SAS
Aaron's comment "There was a discussion going last night about deaths related to pulminory embolism and how it might be related to WAPF style diets. The evidence was anecdotal and others started tossing in dtories about GAPS. It sort of built its own momentum in a groupthink, confirmation-bias way. There was no real evidence to support the idea that WAPF followers are more susceptible to pulimonry embolism."
Aaron, I missed your post earlier. The whole point of that RBTI group is to discuss anecdotal evidence- it's not a science group. That post started going into how high fat diets influence nitric oxide production (which is pretty well documented). It was actually 10 times more scientific than most posts in that group... why single out that thread?
Ela, LOL! yea, rbti would be kinda hard up there- hibernation might be a practical way to go about it!
Matt, a while back there was a discussion on here about sea salt. Your answer to that discussion was something along the lines of "Stfu and eat iodized salt." I'm sorry if that's not the exact quote, but trying to find it in the comments is going to take too much time.
I'm curious about a few things. Please don't swear at me because I'm bringing this up again! Your answer left me confused, that's all.
1) Sea salt can be iodized, but I imagine that this still isn't allowed on RBTI, right?
2) Is it ok to eat NON-iodized table salt or does it have to be iodized?
3) Is it ok to eat 'Himalayan rock salt'? My sister uses this and was asking me about it.
4) I take an iodine supplement every day to help with sub-clinical hypothyroidism more than likely caused a lack of iodine in my diet. The thyroid, according to my doctor, is pretty touchy when it comes to iodine: too much and/or too little is not good and will result in the same symptoms.
Can I eat non-iodized salt or does it have to be iodized salt on RBTI? I don't have the equipment to test right now and can't go by any numbers. I am following the basic guidelines you've described so far (big lunch, etc), but am very wary about playing around with iodine in my salt supply, especially as I don't use the exact same amount of salt every day, and probably use way less than the average person. It's important that I keep a very regular amount of iodine coming in, with minimal fluctuations.
For those wondering about daylight savings time change and the 2pm rule...
Keep in mind - when daylight savings begins, clocks are set forward an hour. So, during daylight savings time, it's really only 1pm at 2pm. When clocks are set back again, to the standard time, it's 2pm at 2pm again. So no worries when the time changes... you're good either way.
When you say "no meats or sweets" after 2, you mean just straight up meat, right? Not protein foods, like dairy or eggs, correct? I realize that meal should be light and low in protein and fat, but I'm wondering if it really should be JUST veggies.
In another post, you suggested to Hawaii Girl to stay away from honey, due to low sugar. Why no honey? What's special about honey in terms of crashes?
I've been loosely following the big lunch, small/light/no dinner thing for about a week. I try to stick to the list of foods, but it's hard with my job. But I've definitely cut down. I find that I get the shakes just before breakfast and lunch and sometimes in the late afternoon, especially if lunch wasn't big enough.
SAS, AndrewH, Thanks for the perspective. I don't ever mean to offend anyone but only that we should be careful in how we go about spreading information. I posted my thoughts on FB as well but that was before the nitric oxide discussion.
My longer explanation here was to help Lorelei not throw the baby out with the bathwater when specious or unscientific arguments occur. I did not mean to come off as offensive.
For the record, I am on the RBTI program and following Pippa's recommendations without questioning the whys... only questions are for clarification. I am also keeping track of everything I do. The FB group allows me to ask general questions without taking up all of Pippa's time.
AaronF, No worries, at all man, I wasn't offended. :) I could never start something without asking why, why, why... I do find this rbti stuff extremely interesting, though- the meal timings and sugar crashes, especially. I would implement the meal thing more regularly, but I'm taking night classes, and can't handle it right now- the sugar issue is fairly easy and has immediate effects, for me; I don't use a refractometer, but try to monitor myself based on some symptoms.
Sorry I said iodized salt. Didn't mean to confuse. I eat regular table salt - just straight NaCl.
I think the broader issue was that other salts, including sea salt and Himalayan salt contain more than just sodium chloride, but contain a variety of different salts - some of them harmful.
But there's no need for it to be iodized. Just purified down to its core - NaCl.
So, semi-facetious question... if sea salt is so very bad that it shuts the body down... every time I go swimming in the ocean, I am definitely getting sea salt in my mouth and ingesting it. I try to go swimming several times a week. Is worrying about that being too anal? Where do we draw the line when worrying about sea salt? I actually do want to know, btw.
And is it just me, or is RBTI against everything tasty from the ocean? Salmon are fresh water fish when caught, so they don't count.
I don't worry about too much personally. But I can get away with more than others. Some people can get away with more than me. It's all relative. I had 2 slices of millet bread today with a trace of sea salt in them. I had mochi with a trace of sea salt the other day. But I no longer use sea salt in my home cooking, and try to avoid packaged products that have sea salt in 'em.
There are lots of tasty things from the ocean given the green light on RBTI. Cod, snapper, flounder, halibut, salmon, sardines - lotsa shiz.
You can also enjoy men from the sea I bet. Wacka wacka wacka. But Reams didn't talk about that so who knows?
Sorry, I just know what a sicko pervert nympho you are now. Figured I'd speak your language.
Well, you know I love the taste of sea salt so very much I can eat it right off my hand... so you're saying that when hubby goes ocean swimming with me, it's totally ok to give in to the urge to lick all that salty goodness off him? And if he's not around, I shouldn't be ashamed if I find I'm licking myself? (Yes, I actually do lick my own shoulders after swimming. NOT what YOU were thinking, you sicko you. Only my dogs are physically capable of that!).
Upon further consideration, I would like to amend that to say that only my dogs are physically capable of doing that to themselves. Just in case you're sicker than I thought.
Although, we did get a new boy dog this weekend who is completely without manners, and we were totally unprepared for just how friendly he wants to be. The emasculating vet visit cannot come too soon.
Okay, two questions:
ReplyDelete1. How are the eating times affected by what time I get up in the morning (usually 9:45 when I'm eating breakfast)?
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2. What if I am absolutely NOT hungry by dinnertime...is it okay not to eat at all (this is following the meal time rules - big lunch)?
Thanks!!
The eating schedule is based off the sun, not what time you get up or go to bed or eat breakfast. So 2pm is the cutoff for meats n' sweets.
ReplyDeleteI would still nibble on something at dinner time. I'm not hungry either so I know what you mean. But I suspect skipping it altogether to be a bad idea, and may have some negative long-term consequences. But you are welcome to try it and report back after a while.
Juicing might help to get nutrients in when you're not physically hungry at night time. Right?
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ReplyDeleteI don't think juice (or fruit) is allowed after 2:00 p.m. unless sugars are low but I have been eating a couple of pieces of cheese "for dinner" even 'tho I'm not hungry because I'm afraid of waking up hungry or possibly disrupting my blood sugar. Thanks Matt!
ReplyDeleteI have had a little unsweet green juice in the evening with my dinner. It hasn't seemed to cause any problems.
ReplyDeleteI asked Challen this yesterday because the last few days, I have had no desire to eat at supper. He told me that I should eat a salad and veggies anyway.
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Thanks for this video, I've been following your series on Challen and am very intrigued. How would one look into his program or his rules for eating? Do you physically have to see him? Thanks, Matt!!
ReplyDeleteCan someone just get by with getting a refractometer, eating big lunches, and following the basic rules and still heal? I don't have major health issues and neither do my kids but there is room for improvement. I could get some ph strips too. But can we do any harm? Most specifically can we do any harm by eating regular desserts and drinking distilled water. We didn't eat too much sugar before I started following RBTI with just the basic rules I was pretty strict about sugar and refined foods. I'm trying to be much more flexible. Which is one reason I don't want to do RBTI all the way.
ReplyDeleteI am feeling much better today. Sugars feel much more stable. Not having allergy attacks like I was a couple days ago and I slept through the night (almost - had to pee at 5am). Brain feels slightly more clear. So far I am not running to a bacon stand.
I do find the biorhythm element of this very intriguing. Still can't seem to get my head or body around eating enough at lunch essentially not to need to eat again that day--but I know some people who seem to work like that 'naturally.'
ReplyDeleteI have been following RBTI for about 6 weeks now and am still having those BS dips between 11am-2pm. Find myself kind of breathless upon climbing stairs and not clear in the head either. I'm already eating lots of sugar up until 2pm to try to balance this out. Maybe drinking a little less water in the morning is what I'm wondering. Any suggestions?
ReplyDeleteSo the best time to eat lunch would be at the bottom of the valley- around 12:30PM. What about breakfast? Dinner?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous-
ReplyDeleteIt's normal to have those dips. The point is to slowly work on getting better, and to make sure to have a bite of fruit when they do collapse. You can buy a cheap refractometer for like $30 and really start to figure some of this stuff out.
Ela-
It only takes a couple of weeks to get there. I don't even really have to eat extra now. I'm just "naturally" not hungry anymore even though 2 months ago I was naturally starving at dinner time!
Kelly Anne-
You can't do damage with the distilled water unless you drink too much of it, which you won't if you have a refractometer. I think your general plan and attitude towards this as a mom and pretty healthy lady is right on.
Vaughters-
You can call up Challen directly and start right away (304) 230-9283 or you can wait for some of my materials to come out which give you great details on how to follow the program directly. You definitely don't need to see Challen face to face. Pretty much anybody who knows his program can help you through it. It's easy and not that complicated. Just seems a little complicated at first.
Matt,
ReplyDeleteCan you also go over the times for drinking lemonade/water? and how does that affect the blood sugar cycle?
Thanks for all of this so far.
Matt - what do you think about the assertion that it is better to never start RBTI than to start and then stop. I presume that applies to the systematic lemonade, rather than "casual" RBTI (meal timing, no foods etc). And when would it ever be safe to stop?
ReplyDeleteYesterday I hardly drank water and the Brix stayed between 2.5 and 4.5. I didn't drink much else though (don't really enjoy juice or store milk) and I felt really dehydrated by bedtime. This morning I had a couple of glasses of water and it fell to 0.5, back up to 2.5 after lunch. Definitely cool to watch.
Second question - should I be drinking close to or as much juice/milk/soda as I would have had water? I normally am an only water drinker, and I like it... Would kombucha, while maybe not ideal, at least be better than water?
It's interesting to note that the urine color doesn't always correlate with the Brix reading. It seemed to at first, but after 3 days I can see that it doesn't always.
Matt, someone suggested a few days ago that you might do a post about why we shouldn't be concerned about distilled water. I just wanted to 2nd that! Thanks!
ReplyDeleteI like that Challen talks about doing this and it growing on you, and taking a little time to want to follow more of the rules.
ReplyDeleteWent away for a few days and had a chance to eat out and do bigger meals at lunch. I think I can get used to it. The benefit too, when eating out: lunch is usually cheaper than dinner for the same amount of food. Ca-ching!
Also, if we're talking about the sun here, what about funky timezone stuff. I mean, you can be in Jasper, Indiana and it's 1pm, then head south along the same longitude and be in Benton, and it's 2pm. Or you can be at 2pm in Indiana, and it's the same 2pm as in Maine, even though the sun's sky position is different.
Not saying to ignore the 2pm rule, but it's not totally cut and dry. To do that, we'd probably have to be using sundials and have the same angle as a cut off, rather than a somewhat fluffy hourly block.
That's why I suggested every kit should come with a sundial several days ago. Everybody ignored me then! Somebody on FB asked about when the time change occurs and was shot down like they were an idiot... hmmm, yes, because the time change actually changes the position of the sun relative to the earth... never mind the fact that time according to the position of the sun has a huge variance across a "time zone" which has only been in existence since the late 1800's.
ReplyDeleteSo saying eating sweets at 1:45 is fine, but at 2:15 will tank your system - and then saying it's all based on the sun - is crazy logic. And people call me difficult. I'm not saying it's wrong, or there's nothing to it. Just that any of us with a little science knowledge is going to be incapable of blindly accepting things because Reams said so.
Can you tell I've held back my opinions of FB? Since I don't believe in FB, I've been borrowing a friend's account, and I don't want her to get slammed because the "science" is tying me in knots. (Matt, dammit, stop posting interesting stuff over there and leaving us out, then I wouldn't have to skulk on FB like this!)
The FB post about how Reams could do the chemistry experiments using math only... sheesh. I did chemistry last year with the kids, and because we didn't have a lot of the equipment, we worked out what the expected outcome of each experiment should be - and my 9yo was perfectly capable of doing that. It's just common sense, it doesn't require any particular aptitude at chemistry or math. In my own chem and physics labs, if I knew I had boffed the experiment somehow, I was able to work backwards and come up with the appropriate "lab notes" (shhh, don't tell my proffs that!). I'm not an Einstein level genius, it's not at all hard. All these things Reams is purported to have said make him sound like a self-aggrandizing looney and make me doubt the validity of RBTI more and more. But I guess if you don't know any better, it sounds good.
Well, there's my lack of sweetness for the day.
@ Lorelei: I, for one, appreciate your facebook rancor :) I prefer the discussion to be over here so everyone can take part and learn.
ReplyDeleteWell, I appreciate that the FB group is for people more interested in the 'how to do it' of RBTI rather than the 'why'. For me, there is no how without why. But I can understand not everybody cares... I mean, I guess I don't care about why a car engine works, so much as how to drive one.
ReplyDeleteStill, it's funny when a good science discussion actually gets going on FB, and then the insults start, and then the whole thing gets deleted. But like I said, Matt is so much more active over there that if I want to catch the good stuff, I have to lurk (and then vent here).
And if somebody was questioning why a car engine worked and said it had nothing to do with my theory of positive vibes from the driver (please don't fail me now, car! good car!), I'd hope I wouldn't just insult them and say they're too rude to want to learn about how a car really works.
Maybe my sweetness quotient is dropping even more. Brix just fell by 0.5...
Missed that comment, Lorelei. Was it on the blog or facebook? Obviously I'm not too active here, and completely absent there.
ReplyDeleteAgree with that point- 1:45 but not 2:15 is kind of crazy unless it's tied to a specific position of the sun relative to where you find yourself.
It seems like RBTI has its own logic, but what you're pointing out is that sometimes that logic is not internally consistent. As a fan of comic books, that is all too familiar and irksome (hah). Keep on trucking, lady- glad for your observations.
I second that, SJ.
ReplyDeleteAnd I hate facebook too!
Can we please have a balanced discussion here in a real online forum? Please?! I don't have any faith in the intelligence (common sense) of people who actually take facebook seriously. Seriously?!
HIgirl, don't stop questioning!
Oh, I wouldn't dare use my gf's FB account to post. I just lurk. No, I do all my venting here.
ReplyDeleteDid you miss me telling you how darn much I love that Vitaclay? Fantastic choice on my part - yay me!
RBTI is human derived after all. There are bound to be mistakes and inconsistencies. I am (STILL) not saying it doesn't work. I just hate the random almost-scientific reasoning behind it - and then you have to wonder what part of RBTI practices are wrong because the theory is not sound.
SJ and metoo - we really need Matt here. Not only does he have experience with RBTI, he has the scientific brain to make it make sense. We could discuss the science all we want, but without seeing RBTI in action, I think it's sort of pointless (I just like to vent about the stupid science-y sounding non-science). Matt's obviously sold that it works. He's writing a book and maybe that will explain all. Hell, if he wants to charge for all his work, he really should. I haven't figured out how he earns any money yet (male gigolo?). I miss his insightful science-y comments though.
ReplyDeleteThat Vitaclay comment sent my way, Lorelei? I did miss you saying you dug it, though I do remember responding about my experience with it. Glad it's working well for you.
ReplyDeleteAs for Matt I think he's supported by viewers (and readers) like us, through eBooks mainly. He certainly doesn't do this for the money, which is why I am eager to throw down for him. He offers a lot to my thinking, and I want to help make it possible for him to keep on with that.
Rob - Vitaclay comment totally for you.
ReplyDeleteI know he has those ebooks, but that can't be enough to survive on. I willingly pay too, because he is obviously in this only to help others... but the man must live on nothing, have a secret stash of moolah, or be a gigolo. I'm voting for gigolo in the sense of Deuce Bigolow.
Ok, I have to play taxi now.
Lorelei-I really appreciate all your comments. Enlightening too to learn that all the action is happening over on FB. I haven't joined the group(s) because I wasn't sure I needed yet another channel of bombardment but if that's where all the interesting discussion is happening...
ReplyDeleteI had wondered that exact same thing about timezone changes, daylight savings, the arbitrariness of time anyway--but having a body clock somewhat related to the tempo of the sun sort of makes sense. We're right at the equinox now, which means that pretty soon it's going to be _dark_ up here! Does that mean that '2 o'clock' is a shrinking window when there are only 5 hours of daylight? Etc, etc...
HIgirl, I agree. I wasn't suggesting a discussion without Matt. Just saying it would be nice if we could have the discussion here, not facebook.
ReplyDeleteEla, good points.
Hawaii Girl, you rock!!! :)
ReplyDeleteMetoo- there's just so much going on over there, I could fill up this blog with re-posts... sorry dude- just get an anon fb account and check it out!
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ReplyDeleteAnd, FTR, I thought the sundial was a brilliant idea (get it..), from the beginning- I meant to mention it awhile ago..
ReplyDelete...just call me "The PUNisher"!!! ...."get it?!" (that's my superhero catchphrase) ;)
The PUNisher, excuse you but I'm a dudette. Thank you very much! :p
ReplyDeleteNo thanks, I'll continue to pass on facebook. I have a life. But you all have fun playing reindeer games over there. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what people 'say' about RBTI. It either works or it doesn't and the only way to find out for sure is to try it yourself.
Lorelei,
ReplyDeleteDon't expect too much in terms of scientific rigor in everyday life. I've learned most people are pretty horrible at it. FB is going to be no exception.
There was a discussion going last night about deaths related to pulminory embolism and how it might be related to WAPF style diets. The evidence was anecdotal and others started tossing in dtories about GAPS. It sort of built its own momentum in a groupthink, confirmation-bias way. There was no real evidence to support the idea that WAPF followers are more susceptible to pulimonry embolism.
This is how rumors and ghost stories and many other non-scientific bits of information spread. It is just how thehuman mind works. Accept it.
What you are getting when you hear information like this is not contrary information or negative information. It is no information. It is noise, and not signal, and your job is to tune into signal and reject noise. Information like this provides no support for making an analysis, either pro or con.
@Lorelei
ReplyDeleteThe sun / time thing is actually really easy. Two o'clock is an approximation of a certain point in the circadian rhythm. If you change time zones, you follow the rules based on the time zone you came and shift as you adapt to your new locale.
came from*
ReplyDeleteI agree with many posters here that the introduction and discussion that was started by Pippa and Matt here should continue here instead of taking it off to FB. I will not join FB...so many will say that that is my loss I suppose.
ReplyDeleteI was so excited to when I found Matt's blog... before the RBTI... and was hoping he would continue on with more RBTI responses to those of us here in the same vein as his previous entries, but I actually have been highly disappointed. Many, many inquisitive questions were asked and never got addressed. It has been like a suspense novel for weeks on end. What WILL the next installment bring?? Will our questions finally be answered?? I'm still waiting...
I don't mind researching on my own, and I have now for weeks. It was actually quite daunting at first to find ANYTHING, but through diligent research I have made great headway.
And I realize Matt was working with Challen and that Challen has quite an innate talent for "reading the numbers", but Matt has made him a G-D as if Challen stands heads above any others and that he is the be-all-end-all in RBTI. That is just not true although there are very few practitioners and teachers that publically advertise their knowledge and expertise...and understandably so because of what backlash might occur from TPTB. There ARE other competent people out there folks. Don't be hoodwinked into believing otherwise.
continuing on:
ReplyDeleteI have been fortunate enough to have been able to purchase the equipment and coursework that will move me forward in learning RBTI to assist myself and others if they so wish. It really is fascinating using the tools, seeing the numbers and trying to decipher where you are and where you need to be.
All this said.. above and here, I look forward to further input from Matt when people ask questions. He's so good at cutting through the bs and giving a straight answer. I will not abandon ship, but I hope Captain Matt takes back the helm like he used to in past discussions.
RBTI is rather simple and yet complicated all at the same time. I look forward to seeing Matt's wonderful use of navigational skills in order to keep us all enlightened and moving in a healthy direction.
Lisa
What's up with all the facebook haters? Your putting too much effort into it...I don't particularly like it either..I just treat it like a tool-just like my cell phone, computer, etc....It's free. Why not?
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Rob and Lorelei and anyone interested (what are your thoughts, Matt?),
ReplyDeleteHere was the daylight savings exchange on facebook:
Me: How does daylight savings affect the recommendation to finish lunch before 2 pm? Like, after we set our clocks back an hour, can you really eat lunch at 1:15 when the day before at the same time would have been 2:15?
Brock: The 2 pm time is driven by your circadian rythmn, which is driven by what time you go to bed. So it's always 2 pm.
Me: Is that really all there is to it? I've heard something to the effect that the feeding schedules of many animals are strictly regulated by external time-of-day cues, such as the angle at which sunlight hits their eyes (which changes throughout the day)... which is obviously not changed by humans calling 2 pm "2 pm" one day and then calling 2 pm "1 pm" the next. I would have thought the 2 pm lunch rule was based on some similar pattern of our bodies' behavior being cued by external forces. Furthermore, if my circadian rhythm is only driven by what time I go to bed (and that's the only supposed basis for finishing lunch by 2 pm), then if I usually go to bed at 10 pm and eat lunch the following day at 1 pm, does this mean if I should suddenly start going to bed at 1 am every night, it's just as good then to eat lunch at 4 pm every day?
Brock: Mike, yeah, more or less. Your circadian rhythm is effected by sunlight and such, but the most powerful control is your normal bedtime.
the whole thing with keeping your sugar stable to pick up more minerals makes me think thats why the milk diet works like it does if you do it correctly, but can have adverse effects if you dont do it right.
ReplyDeleteIf you do it correctly by drinking small amounts of milk every 30 minutes your blood sugar will remain stable all day (while at the same time you are flooding your body with nutrients). But if you drink large amounts of milk at one time your blood sugar will fluctuate drastically... that explains a lot
Thanks Mike,
ReplyDeleteStill wrapping my head around this all. As someone pointed out, Martin Berkhan had an article recently about the benefits of late night eating, and as Ryan Koch said in one of his videos, the human body can adapt to just about anything. So eating with some regularity, whatever it looks like, probably aids in adaptation.
Based on that comment of Brock's, it sounds like RBTI would prescribe a regular bedtime of a certain hour too- is that right?
MeleMel,
ReplyDeleteResearch the beginnings of Facebook and all it's underpinnings and maybe you'll get an inkling why some of us choose to steer clear of it. It's a tool alright... but not just in the way you happen to simplistically look at it.
Lisa
For those of you worried about FACEBOOK, why don't you just open a fake account? I closed my "real" FB account years ago, but I made a new one just to get the RBTI info.
ReplyDeleteAnd Lorilei, there are 2 RBTI groups on FB. You would be welcome to join the one that Brock started, as it is more of a "debate" forum. I actually re-posted one of your comments there last week.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/234716049907553/
metoo, thanks- I understand.. that's how I felt about fb for a long time..
ReplyDeleteMike Jones, very interesting-a sundial is a good idea- or just hammer a steak (as straight as possible- maybe T bone-jk) in the ground, in a sunny place, and put a nail in the ground at the end of the stake's shadow every 15 mins between 11am and 3pm, 2 hours away from the shortest length (the shortest length representing solar noon, and solar north) would be the time to stop eating meat- if it is related to the sun, that is. This time would change throughout the year. I used this trick regularly when I did construction...
Sincerely,
The PUNisher
...Of course, in the southern hemisphere, it would represent solar south. ;)
ReplyDeleteCM-
ReplyDeleteThe milk diet probably works for that reason and also because it is "systematic hydration" and because the minerals you take in are off the charts. Only problem is, the fat is too much for some people, milk makes you way overly-alkaline (causing me foot pain, lower back pain, constipation, earache, nasal congestion, asthma, allergies, swollen throat - clearing throat a lot). Interesting that the milk diet gurus advocated for people having problems to drink skim milk and add oranges to it. In RBTI citrus brings down pH more than any other food.
Hawaii Girl-
Sorry I have been unfaithful to you by wandering off into Facebook. I really don't want to spend that much time there. It's just that I'm at a loss, completely, for explaining some of this stuff. And more eager to see how people are responding to it. The most important way to figure that out is to make sure people are following it correctly.
I would drink juice, or at least diluted fruit juice by the way.
I don't even really read much about the theory behind it because it is useless, and I don't like repeating stuff that makes me sound like an idiot.
My favorite Reams-ism is... (paraphrasing, in Foghorn Leghorn-ese)...
"Ya see ya see those black folk are too anionic because ya see ya see they black skin absorbs more of the sun's energy ya see ya see, and they absorb more Vitamin D, which makes them more alkaline and constipated."
Really Reams? Africans absorb more vitamin D? That's why they have that dark skin? To absorb more of the sun's energy.
Yes, believe it or not, I don't waste time reading Reams.
But I do believe that there is validity to the monitors of perfect body chemistry that he chose to focus on. And that he was able to test and see what adversely affected body chemistry. And then create a program and system based on that. One that works. It's not infallible like Challen thinks it is. That doesn't mean it isn't useful. I think it's very useful.
Just like it's useful to know that perfect fasting blood sugar should be below 90 and postprandial below 120. Or that body temperature should be above 98F. Or blood pressure below 140/90.
I think the difference is that Reams really did create a system that could fix those parameters when they were out of line. Modern medicine doesn't know how to fix high blood pressure, high blood sugar, or low body temperature.
Sundial-
ReplyDeleteYes, it's all based on the sun. Challen loves to tell an anecdote about a woman who said something like...
"I don't get it Mr. Whizard? My sugars used to crash every day at 11, and now they crash every day at 12."
His response...
"Daylight savings - our bodies go by the sun, not the clock. In fact, in his office he has the clock set to the "sun" time, not daylight savings."
So yes, the 2pm cutoff is an estimate if anything. Not a magic number.
Huh, so I am assuming you would be really screwed if you lived in Barrow, Alaska and were trying to do RBTI. There are about 85 days in the summer where Barrow has continuous sunlight, and in the winter there are days where the sun doesn't rise. Body sugars must go wacky in that place.
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ReplyDeleteThis is cool! So, Challen does mean ~2pm solar time! I'm glad; this makes the whole Wheeling time zone v solar time so easy! Everyone who's trying rbti, oughta try the solar clock (as described above- re-do it like once a month, and keep all the info to track the sun), if this is too tedious this solar time calculator is fun to play with (this is way more detailed than the makeshift solar clock, btw)
ReplyDeleteThanks,
Of course, for those of you way up north (like AK)... I have no effing clue what to do with the dark winters, etc....
ReplyDelete...... THIS http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/azel.html solar time calculator.. lol
ReplyDelete@AndrewH--right! It's just starting to get noticeably dark up here.
ReplyDeleteReminds me of those folks who thunder that no one should ever eat after sunset or before sunrise--a seriously small window up here in December! I guess if you want to do IF, there's another motivation for it...
Aaron,
ReplyDeleteYour lack of maturity shines through in your comments, especially in the one below. In a facebook exchange on the below topic, there were 8-9 comments (some being one or two-word comments) between 2-3 people on a list of almost 200 members. This amounts to an EXTRAORDINARILY brief discussion and does not in any way represent the overall discussion content of that group. In fact, your entire comment above is longer than the exchange you are criticizing.
Geeeeez. Do you go to parties, over hear a conversation you don't like between two people and then run somewhere else and cast judgement on the entire party.
Lighten up, dude and get a life. You really made a big leap in judgment on such a small conversation. I hope you're not planning on getting into anything scientific.
The problem is that your own expectations of that group are not what it is about. Start your own RBTI group and take it into the direction you want.
As a member of this particular facebook group, I would appreciate it if you would un-join if you are just going to unjustifiably insult members in another forum for making off topic small-talk.
SAS
Aaron's comment
"There was a discussion going last night about deaths related to pulminory embolism and how it might be related to WAPF style diets. The evidence was anecdotal and others started tossing in dtories about GAPS. It sort of built its own momentum in a groupthink, confirmation-bias way. There was no real evidence to support the idea that WAPF followers are more susceptible to pulimonry embolism."
Aaron, I missed your post earlier. The whole point of that RBTI group is to discuss anecdotal evidence- it's not a science group. That post started going into how high fat diets influence nitric oxide production (which is pretty well documented). It was actually 10 times more scientific than most posts in that group... why single out that thread?
ReplyDeleteEla, LOL! yea, rbti would be kinda hard up there- hibernation might be a practical way to go about it!
Hawaii Girl, LOL!
thanks,
Matt, a while back there was a discussion on here about sea salt. Your answer to that discussion was something along the lines of "Stfu and eat iodized salt." I'm sorry if that's not the exact quote, but trying to find it in the comments is going to take too much time.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious about a few things. Please don't swear at me because I'm bringing this up again! Your answer left me confused, that's all.
1) Sea salt can be iodized, but I imagine that this still isn't allowed on RBTI, right?
2) Is it ok to eat NON-iodized table salt or does it have to be iodized?
3) Is it ok to eat 'Himalayan rock salt'? My sister uses this and was asking me about it.
4) I take an iodine supplement every day to help with sub-clinical hypothyroidism more than likely caused a lack of iodine in my diet. The thyroid, according to my doctor, is pretty touchy when it comes to iodine: too much and/or too little is not good and will result in the same symptoms.
Can I eat non-iodized salt or does it have to be iodized salt on RBTI? I don't have the equipment to test right now and can't go by any numbers. I am following the basic guidelines you've described so far (big lunch, etc), but am very wary about playing around with iodine in my salt supply, especially as I don't use the exact same amount of salt every day, and probably use way less than the average person. It's important that I keep a very regular amount of iodine coming in, with minimal fluctuations.
Thanks for any insight into this Matt.
Oops...more than likely caused *by* a lack of iodine....
ReplyDeleteFor those wondering about daylight savings time change and the 2pm rule...
ReplyDeleteKeep in mind - when daylight savings begins, clocks are set forward an hour. So, during daylight savings time, it's really only 1pm at 2pm. When clocks are set back again, to the standard time, it's 2pm at 2pm again. So no worries when the time changes... you're good either way.
Matt,
ReplyDeleteWhen you say "no meats or sweets" after 2, you mean just straight up meat, right? Not protein foods, like dairy or eggs, correct? I realize that meal should be light and low in protein and fat, but I'm wondering if it really should be JUST veggies.
In another post, you suggested to Hawaii Girl to stay away from honey, due to low sugar. Why no honey? What's special about honey in terms of crashes?
I've been loosely following the big lunch, small/light/no dinner thing for about a week. I try to stick to the list of foods, but it's hard with my job. But I've definitely cut down. I find that I get the shakes just before breakfast and lunch and sometimes in the late afternoon, especially if lunch wasn't big enough.
SAS, AndrewH,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the perspective. I don't ever mean to offend anyone but only that we should be careful in how we go about spreading information. I posted my thoughts on FB as well but that was before the nitric oxide discussion.
My longer explanation here was to help Lorelei not throw the baby out with the bathwater when specious or unscientific arguments occur. I did not mean to come off as offensive.
For the record, I am on the RBTI program and following Pippa's recommendations without questioning the whys... only questions are for clarification. I am also keeping track of everything I do. The FB group allows me to ask general questions without taking up all of Pippa's time.
-Aaron
AaronF, No worries, at all man, I wasn't offended. :) I could never start something without asking why, why, why... I do find this rbti stuff extremely interesting, though- the meal timings and sugar crashes, especially. I would implement the meal thing more regularly, but I'm taking night classes, and can't handle it right now- the sugar issue is fairly easy and has immediate effects, for me; I don't use a refractometer, but try to monitor myself based on some symptoms.
ReplyDeletethanks,
SJ-
ReplyDeleteHaha. Damn you you son of a %itch M#other#@$er!!!
Sorry I said iodized salt. Didn't mean to confuse. I eat regular table salt - just straight NaCl.
I think the broader issue was that other salts, including sea salt and Himalayan salt contain more than just sodium chloride, but contain a variety of different salts - some of them harmful.
But there's no need for it to be iodized. Just purified down to its core - NaCl.
So, semi-facetious question... if sea salt is so very bad that it shuts the body down... every time I go swimming in the ocean, I am definitely getting sea salt in my mouth and ingesting it. I try to go swimming several times a week. Is worrying about that being too anal? Where do we draw the line when worrying about sea salt? I actually do want to know, btw.
ReplyDeleteAnd is it just me, or is RBTI against everything tasty from the ocean? Salmon are fresh water fish when caught, so they don't count.
@ Matt: lol! Thanks for the clarification. Funny how epithets don't seem so bad as stfu :)
ReplyDeleteHawaii-
ReplyDeleteI don't worry about too much personally. But I can get away with more than others. Some people can get away with more than me. It's all relative. I had 2 slices of millet bread today with a trace of sea salt in them. I had mochi with a trace of sea salt the other day. But I no longer use sea salt in my home cooking, and try to avoid packaged products that have sea salt in 'em.
There are lots of tasty things from the ocean given the green light on RBTI. Cod, snapper, flounder, halibut, salmon, sardines - lotsa shiz.
You can also enjoy men from the sea I bet. Wacka wacka wacka. But Reams didn't talk about that so who knows?
Sorry, I just know what a sicko pervert nympho you are now. Figured I'd speak your language.
Well, you know I love the taste of sea salt so very much I can eat it right off my hand... so you're saying that when hubby goes ocean swimming with me, it's totally ok to give in to the urge to lick all that salty goodness off him? And if he's not around, I shouldn't be ashamed if I find I'm licking myself? (Yes, I actually do lick my own shoulders after swimming. NOT what YOU were thinking, you sicko you. Only my dogs are physically capable of that!).
ReplyDeleteUpon further consideration, I would like to amend that to say that only my dogs are physically capable of doing that to themselves. Just in case you're sicker than I thought.
ReplyDeleteAlthough, we did get a new boy dog this weekend who is completely without manners, and we were totally unprepared for just how friendly he wants to be. The emasculating vet visit cannot come too soon.