Well boys and girls, this will be my final blog post. I drank the RBTI Kool-Aid and it tasted good. And now, well, there’s not much left to write about. It’s all “in the numbers” you see.
Okay okay, you’re not buying that for a second. You know me well. I have a severe writing problem, and there is no known cure. Even RBTI was unable to cure me of my condition. In fact it could be the worst flareup I’ve ever had. I put the RBTI cookbook together in 6 days for example, and will be releasing another book in two weeks – Diet Recovery: Restoring Hormonal Health, Metabolism, Mood, and Your Relationship with Food!
But this really will be my final blog post on THIS blog. As soon as this one is done, I’ll be switching everything over to the http://www.180degreehealth.com/ domain. The “mother ship” as I call it is getting a makeover as we speak from long-time 180 follower “CA$H Money.” It is going to be setup almost exactly the same as this badboy, just sharper around the edges. The forum will not be launched at the get go, but that is DEFINITELY in the works. Expect the new version to be live right around November 1st, give or take a couple days.
Yes, that means 10 whole days without a new blog post. I know, it’s sad, but I’ve got quite a bit of work to do on the site over the next 10 days before it comes out. So it will be good for me to focus on that. And I’m sure, with the excitement of the new site, there will be quite the blog post binge taking place for the first few months. But I’m jumping the gun here. Let’s focus on this post – the Grand Finale of 180 “Bloggie-Style.”
Context is Important
It’s pretty clear that, because of how science is conducted, that most researchers and writers are getting ever-more-narrow in their focus on things. It’s human nature I think to want to identify a single enemy, flush it out of hiding, and put it to death. First it was saturated fat that was killing everyone, then it was not exercising enough. Then it was overeating. Then it was sugar. That got slimmed down to fructose. Then inflammation was the cause of everything, which was slimmed down to gluten. Then trimmed to omega 6, or omega 3 “deficiency.” At one point it was insulin. Big, bad insulin. Then cortisol. Now food is just too damn palatable. And in my recent Wheeling dealings, it was all about minerals.
It’s good that we have myopic researchers on crusades to brutalize their chosen enemy in some ways (and it’s good that I go down as many of the rabbit holes as possible to explore the validity of these bandwagons). We get to see that some foods, substances, mindsets, and hormonal states are contributors to health problems - at least in a certain "context" wink wink. But it seems that each person in the health field is trying to one-up the other by saying, “Fructose! That ain’t nothin’! Have you seen gluten?” It all reminds me of a comedy skit by Brian Regan.
But once you take context into account, you graduate to an entire universe of more sophisticated ways of looking at things. If you identify that fructose is capable of causing fatty liver, insulin resistance, overeating, and obesity – you must later determine what context that is in. Because there is a context in which you can eat until you vomit of fructose and not have any of those problems. It’s called being a fruitarian endurance athlete. But even if you remove the endurance athlete component, you are still unlikely to develop the same fructose-related problems of someone eating a mixed diet washed down with liquid fructose in the form of Mountain Dew.
These little variables are highly significant, but it’s NOT a matter of isolating those variables to discover what really is that single Big Bad Wolf. What matters is the diet, mindset, stress level, social status, lifestyle, exercise level and type, sleep quality, health history, and heredity combined. These factors can never be separated in a real, live human being.
The reason I bring a lot of this up is my recent experiences with a change in context. At the beginning of the year I was experimenting with some of Ray Peat’s ideas about diet and health. I was eating lots of ice cream, full-fat milk (even though Ray drinks low-fat milk), shellfish, sweetened coconut, fruit juice, and fruit. I was having some of these at frequent intervals to keep the production of catabolic hormones to a minimum. If I did any exercise, it was brief and intense with an anabolic effect (for those unfamiliar with such terms, anabolic exercise is stuff like weightlifting or sprinting, catabolic exercise would be, say, distance running or hiking).
While I got very warm (over 98F upon waking and 99+ during the day), and everything was cranking from a metabolism standpoint, I was also waking up in the middle of the night starving, really hungry if I went more than a couple hours without food – which included needing to eat quite a bit late at night to be able to go to sleep, and, in turn, putting on quite a bit of fat. I went from a fairly lean and muscular 195 in November to a fluffy 210 by the end of May (“Ray May,” coincidentally).
I could have easily blamed fructose for this. Or I could have blamed dairy fat. Or I could have expanded outward and blamed it on ice cream, or highly palatable food – as ice cream has pretty much always struck me as the most alluring and addicting of all foods. And at that time, I did.
But lo and behold, the moment that I began eating many of these same foods – juice, fruit, ice cream… and other very palatable foods like pizza, pie, cheesecake – in a different context, I lost not just all the weight I gained eating these foods, but all the weight plus some. I’m down from 210 to around 187 and falling. My total quantity of exercise, while increasing lately, is still no higher than it was during the period that I gained from 195 to 210. The intensity is much lower – mostly hiking with an occasional flurry of pushups or dumbbell exercises. I’m at least as lean as I was at 195 a year ago while doing Scott Abel’s Metabolic Enhancement Training.
So these foods are fattening in one context, and not fattening at all in another. They raised my appetite in one context, and now my appetite is as low or lower than it has ever been eating those same foods.
The most famous examples of the principle of context can be found in the spheres of “physique enhancement.” Alan Aragon eats Cream Puffs. Kevin “the Machine” Weiss is one of the most badass human beings on earth, and gets very lean eating Oreo Cakesters in a certain context as well as doing what Scott Abel calls “cake loading.”
And of course, there is no more famous example than that of Martin Berkhan, who has less fat than a Snackwell and is known for eating an entire Cheesecake in one sitting - although this pales in comparison to Kevin's incredible Cycle Diet spike-day breakfast.
These guys all know that these foods are “fattening” in a certain context (without weightlifting, calorie cycling, intermittent fasting, etc.). But there is nothing taboo about these foods. They can eat them without being raging diabetics, developing non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, or having their hunger run away from them like personal trainer Drew Manning in his recent “Fit to Fat” experiment (which is reminiscent of Morgan Spurlock’s experience during Supersize Me)…
He describes his personal experience with intentionally gaining weight on junk food as follows…
“All of these foods that I’m eating (sugary cereals, granola bars, juices, white breads, white pastas, sodas, crackers, chips, frozen dinners, mac n cheese, etc.) taste delicious. But then I feel like crap later on and I get hungry again and crave those same foods…
I’m to the point where I feel lethargic and uncomfortable. I definitely feel “addicted” to these foods. In the beginning, I did not like soda, but now I can’t go a day without, otherwise I’ll get the headaches, bad mood, etc. Emotionally, it’s taken a toll on my confidence level, even in my marriage. I don’t like the way I look in public; nothing fits right; bending over to tie my shoes or clip my toe nails has become so difficult. I’ve definitely taken those things for granted…
I think the biggest thing I’ve learned is how intense and how real these food cravings are. I think a lot of people associate the word “addiction” with drugs and alcohol, but I do believe this addiction (to America’s processed foods) is real and very similar. I know I’ll never know exactly what it’s like for every person that’s overweight and I don’t claim to, but at least I understand better than I did before when I never had to struggle with this. I hope to learn a lot more in the second half of my journey, from fat 2 fit.”
I’m eating a lot of those same foods, but in a different context to Drew Manning. I am getting a little exercise. I am eating my main meal in the middle of the day and avoiding meat, sweets, and big meals after 2pm (and triggering an intermittent fasting effect as I am eating only 300-400 calories from 2pm to 8am the following day – an 18 hour period). I am drinking a lightly-sweetened beverage in 4-ounce doses every hour (gently lifting my sugar levels with 15 calories instead of a half container of ice cream a la Peat). I am eating a very consistent daily meal schedule. I am eating very high carb in the morning and lower carb in the evening (carb cycling). All of these things have a big influence over the final outcome.
In other words, the context is more important than the individual foods themselves in this particular case.
And this is mostly just an examination of appetite and weight. We could analyze and scrutinize any number of individual factors in terms of how they are impacted by different contexts.
Anyway, I’m excited. I’m excited because it has long been one of the primary objectives at 180DegreeHealth to find ways to expand dietary freedoms, having the maximum amount of health on the minimum amount of effort. While my recent dabbling in RBTI may have appeared to be in disharmony with this – some of the “tricks” of RBTI can easily be harvested an implemented aside from the greater complexity and restriction that comes with following it full Monty (which, as I mentioned in the RBTI Intro Package published 10 days ago, is sometimes very necessary for an ill person in a very weakened condition).
And it’s not even these “tricks” that should be glorified and worshipped as the new “it.” They aren’t. Each person’s health is highly individual and complex, but tiny shifts in context can change all of the other variables. This is obviously not an unfamiliar concept – as raising metabolism for example often enabled people to tolerate things in whole new ways. Carbohydrates for example went from something that caused great crashes and mood swings to something that triggered great energy, sex drive, warmth, and happiness when consumed in the right context (without starving yourself or overexercising, and getting plenty of sleep).
So be mindful of context, not jumping too quickly to blame all things from your saggy bottom to your bad haircut on one isolated food or substance. There are often ways to eat the foods you think you can't without having an adverse reaction by changing as little as one other minor factor. The whole picture of how to achieve a healthy mind and body extends far beyond any one food or substance that you may have declared war on.
Okay, that’s it for Blogger. It’s been fun. Now join me next at the new http://www.180degreehealth.com/ !
WHAT?!?
ReplyDeleteI may die of withdrawal symptoms.
I warned you, when you give me nothing to read, I read Reams' work and my head explodes. It's messy. I don't like it.
Plus now I'll need a whole new bookmark. :) This is my most faithfully visited site... except for yahoo mail.
At least go name the 80's movies for us before you leave here for good.
Subscribing...
ReplyDeleteHow do you shut off the audio on the new site. My god that's obnoxious!
ReplyDeleteSee you on the other side :P
ReplyDeleteYou scared me for a second there partner. I've had bloggers up and disappear on me before.
ReplyDeleteI loved the name of this blog though!!! But you know what Jack Burton always says... The Check is in the mail!!!!
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Maybe pork and sea salt are bad only in the context of RBTI.
ReplyDeleteGlad that you're not really pretending to shut down the writing (and mass-debating) addiction: I really didn't believe you would (could?).
ReplyDeleteWise words about context--that's right at the heart of the whole metabolism regulation question, isn't it?
So interesting to hear some more details about your body comp changes on Ray May vs RBTI July--I'm looking forward to hearing more about why you think that is.
Are you going to send out word when the new site is live, or will people following this blog automatically have their subscription migrated over to the new site?
I agree with this perspective- context is key.
ReplyDeleteI think that's why, similar to what Jimmy Moore says about diets, it's important to find a 'context' that helps regain health that works for you. Maybe RBTI is badass for some. But for me, especially where I am geographically at the moment, it seems really tough. I'm a brewer and fermenter, and telling me no go on beer and kombucha and sourdough and not too many fermented veggies- egads. No awesome potluck dinners- what!? And the wannabe gardener in me wants to grow potatoes and eat the hell out of them- they're easy and abundant and calorically dense.
So, Matt- what's the next adventure? What's the context that maybe doesn't allow everyday dessert, but let's me eat those other important (to me) foods, and still makes headway on health?
Put another way, what's next on the 180 glory train?
Oh, and excited for the move. Glad things will get consolidated under the main site. Hurrah!
I think individual body chemistry is definitely a huge component of context. For some people there may be a magic bullet (like gluten for celiacs). For whatever reason, following basic RBTI meal patterns was a disaster for me, but I'm already seeing good results from going back to my previous eating patterns and taking a candida-clearing probiotic - and this is after only a week and a half on it. I'm doing accupuncture/TCM, too, which affects the body's chemistry so we'll see how that affects things - the doctor said I have "dampness," which is indicative of yeast. For me, I really do think candida is a major part of the nagging health issues I've had even after fixing my metabolism. And I'll also see what comes up when my hormones get tested.
ReplyDeleteNone of this has seemed to affect my weight, but the probiotics have sure cleared my skin up fast. I went from numerous pimples a week ago to almost entirely clear skin today. I hope it sticks.
It's funny how diets can affect different people in different ways. Some people obviously have success with Ray Peat's diet; it never appealed to me. I seem to thrive on the rrarf diet. I still think listening to your body is the key.
Amy,
ReplyDeleteWould you be willing to share what your eating patterns are? It seems like you and I have a lot of similarities. Thanks!
@ Amy: thanks for your update :) It will be interesting to see what direction your doctor takes you.
ReplyDeleteI found it odd that Matt's new book's subtitle mentions "restoring hormonal health" since I've not found a lot of specific material on this blog that addresses hormones (at least for women). And I've always been curious about TCM's approach, but haven't tried anything out in that direction.
Rob A,
ReplyDeleteMy husband, the brewer, says the same thing. He will follow me into RBTI land only to the point where it disrupts his hobbies. There WILL be brew! ha ha
Amy--it's great to hear your update, especially about the skin clearing and generally feeling better. I think re-establishing good gut flora is so important (and not easy)--and I really think Matt has a point about feeding them, as well as taking the probiotic. I've definitely been conscious about trying to eat more 'resistant starch' type stuff to encourage their proliferation.
ReplyDeleteLove to hear more about the acupuncture too.
I'll keep everyone updated as I progress. Ela, I haven't been doing anything specific in regards to resistant starch, but I have been eating a fair amount of legumes, which I think contain some (not sure). I've definitely been getting a lot of fiber.
ReplyDeleteACN, I'm basically just eating a balanced diet. My breakfast has been something like yogurt (full-fat), toast and fruit. Lunch and dinner are just balanced meals with starch, some protein (meat/fish usually), and veggies (more often cooked than raw), and maybe a piece of fruit if I want it. Eating to appetite. I've mostly been cooking with olive oil as the fat but use butter on toast, etc. I have an afternoon snack of something like yogurt with some toast/crackers/fruit, or maybe just crackers, or some legumes. My starches are mostly unrefined, but not always. The TCM doc said people with dampness should avoid too much dairy and sweets, so the last few days I've been eating less dairy than I was before. Down to just yogurt, which she said was ok. I rarely want dessert, so the sweets thing is not an issue. I drink water whenever I want to, and probably drink a lot. It makes me feel better and has been helping my body with detoxing as the yeast dies off. Sometimes I put lemon in it. I'm planning to up my bone broth intake to help re-mineralize, esp since I don't have as much dairy, but I have not started that yet.
I've been taking a good multivitamin, maca, vitamin c and sometimes magnesium. Plus a chinese herb supplement now.
I'm feeling a lot better but still get tired easily. In addition to the skin improvements, the brain fog, blurred vision and blood sugar fluctuations are much better.
Just curious. A question for Matt or anyone who has purchased the RBTI package. Matt says in this post:
ReplyDelete" – some of the “tricks” of RBTI can easily be harvested an implemented aside from the greater complexity and restriction that comes with following it full Monty (which, as I mentioned in the RBTI Intro Package published 10 days ago, is sometimes very necessary for an ill person in a very weakened condition). "
My question is, for someone like me who is NOT interested in the following the "full Monty" of the RBTI and just wants to add in a few "tricks" of RBTI, would it make sense to purchase the RBTI package or would this be "overkill"? Does the ebook give any guidelines on which "tricks" one can implement and how to do so? I am reluctant to spend $59 for "the full Monty".
Will the new book you are working on incorporate some of these "RBTI tricks", Matt? If so, maybe I should hold out for that.
Thanks!
Cathy
So,
ReplyDeleteIn the context of calorie restricting (which not eating after 2pm is), you will lose weight...
Genius.
Cathy: The ebook does talk about ways you can implement RBTI piece-meal and reap the benefits. Primarily avoiding the "no" foods and eating on the meal schedule should make a big difference in most people's health.
ReplyDeleteLee:
I am still consuming the same amount of calories (perhaps even more) than I was prior to the RBTI meal schedule, and am slowly losing weight. In fact, the calories I am consuming are much more carb based than before, which would have normally caused me to pack on the pounds. I don't really think it is the calories so much as the timing. As this post states so well- it is all in the context.
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Hey Matt,
ReplyDeleteJust a comment here on RBTI and hypoglycemia. I bought the whole Eat Stop Eat package from Brad Pilon and am listening currently to Episode 4 "Insulin and Sugar Metabolism". He's talking about how it's scientifically proven fasting does not cause hypoglycemia. People have blood sugar in the normal range even when they are experiencing hypoglycemic symptoms, which leads researchers to believe these symptoms were simply due to the anxiety of not eating.
This just makes me think of the RBTI facebook page and how people say the refractometer always shows the hypoglycemia, even when the glucose meter does not. That lends credence to the idea that the refractometer is the more powerful tool for, as you put it, carbohydrate available to the body. Who knows exactly what is going on there, but I think I'm going to contact Brad Pilon with this info.
Ornery's Wife-
ReplyDeleteYou say you are eating the same amount of calories, PERHAPS more.
(So you do not really know? Have you physically tracked calories consumed?)
You are consuming more carb calories than before, that normally packed on pounds.
(Plain bananas, rice or potatoes do not pack on the pounds. If you are consuming more carbs, are you eating less fat? Fat calories add up quick. What I have seen, RBTI is generally a low fat diet. Eat a lower fat diet, eat more whole foods, feel just as satiated if not more so (could be confused as believing the calories are just as high), do not eat for 18 hours of the day.
100% you are eating less calories.
SO Matt has gone from saying eat as much burgers, hot dawgs, cakes and icecream all day long (or whatever you want), for "health" and metabolism... which incidentally will make most people FAT.
To now suggesting to eat the burgers and hot dawgs in a tightly controlled morning window, and then to calorie restrict for 18 hours of the day... which incidentally will tend to decrease calorie intake and lose weight.
It is not magic.
Sometimes it feels like Matt just wants to find any old excuse to being able to eat all the junk food he desires.
@Lee
ReplyDeleteIt seems Matt only says things to get attention. That is why he flips from one thing to another.
This is Matt's new attention grabber. And he seems to be riding on someone elses lifetime work and calling it his own doscovery, for the attention.
What a jerk.
CandaceK
Gosh, CandaceK, you're a real charmer.
ReplyDeleteIt seems Candace only says things to get attention. That is why she flips from one thing to another.
ReplyDeleteThis is Candace's new attention grabber. And she seems to be riding on someone elses lifetime work and calling it her own discovery, for the attention.
What a skank.
CandaceK's dog
Lee-
ReplyDeleteI have mentioned this before, but I am absolutely eating less on RBTI, because I'm not hungry. I have calorie restricted in other ways as well and was ready to eat the ass end of a rhino after 2 weeks, couldn't sleep, and had the sex drive of a marathon runner. I happen to think it's different when it's automatic vs. forced.
I assure you I am eating to appetite and sometimes even beyond. It was hard work getting 2 Double-Doubles from In n' Out burger down today. I barely had room left for the Vanilla milkshake. Well, it wasn't a whole milkshake. Pee Freelea hogged it all.
Cathy-
I'm not trying to be secretive or anything. I just mean drinking small amounts of sweetened liquid every 30-60 minutes throughout the first half of the day, and eating the basic meal schedule.
Carborama at breakfast, calorie-rama at lunch, and scrawny lil' dinner. My favorite is a small salad and a glass of milk or plain kefir - no meat or sweets after 2pm. No plain water after 5pm.
I think those are the primary things from RBTI that CAN result in automatic weight loss. It clearly isn't a weight loss diet. There are plenty of squishy long-time RBTI followers. There is a lot more to body composition than just eating a certain diet, schedule, and taking minerals.
The right physical training, good sleep, high metabolism, food choices, stress level - these are all very crucial to the development and maintenance of a lean body. Obviously.
If you want the book for cheaper or something because you can't justify the full price, just email me and we'll figure out a fair price. I don't want price to keep anyone from reading it who really wants to read it. I mean that.
sacredself@gmail.com
Ela-
ReplyDeleteI may do a short post here when the new site is up. This site is supposed to be redirected to the main 180D.
Annoying Voice-
The annoying voice is part of the old site. The new site will have no annoying voices on the landing page.
It´s impossible to gain weight on a Ray Peat diet - if you are doing everything right! For example eating a bit liver and keeping bright light the whole day on made a huch difference in health.
ReplyDeleteThe only hard thing on a Peat diet is that there is no good summary about his diet. You have to collect his advices from many, many websites.
"I walked on the moon" lol I LOVE Brian Regan-- hilarious guy!! Anyways, look forward to seeing your work on the new website. And gee, don't joke like that! If you ever stopped writing, it would seriously be a sad world. I am so appreciative of your informative and unbiased perspective that helped me get out of the dark side of dieting. We need you Matt. One day you should write a novel- the main characters fighting for their lives against a world of insane dieting gurus who brainwash the world with carbophobe and gluten scare tactics. The only way to survive is through reading and following "the numbers" and drinking a systematic liquid formula. It would be fiction of course...
ReplyDeleteMatt Stone, you are a disgrace to RBTI. Carey Reams must be looking down at you from heaven in disappointment and shaking his head.
ReplyDeleteAs a son of Jesus Christ, I have no choice but to forgive you for stealing my life's work. But God may not be so merciful at the Last Judgment.
You read what you sow, Matt. You reap what you sow.
Candace, grow up, get a life, and do something with it instead of trying to tear other people down to your level. Troll.
ReplyDeletetroller fruc-face here!!!!1,
ReplyDeleteScience is a succession of defining variables, doing measurements and creating hypotheses based on these measurements.
You blame scientist for being too narrow-minded, yet investigating ‘nature’ (whatever that might be) using the scientific method is the only way we could ever identify patterns, rules, etc.
For example: It’s an hypothesis that the sun will rise tomorrow, which means we don’t know for sure. But it should happen, because it happened every single day in the history of the world. We can describe the paths of different planets orbiting around the sun mathematically with a great deal of accuracy and calculate estimated errors and so forth. In other words, the variables are: coordinates of planets and time. Null-hypothesis: earth is rotating around the sun according to this and that formula…
Now, in medical science we can do a lot of measurements. We can test how fast fructose causes fructation in vitro. Variables: amount of fructose and protein in a solution, time, and amount of Advanced *fructation* end-products. It turns out that fructose causes glycation/fructation about ten times faster than glucose, depending on the type of proteins. The next step is to measure our null-hypothesis in living human subjects. This becomes trickier, because it’s not very easy to isolate variables in a human being, but we can still do the best we can and measure age-products in vivo. So far, a lot of in vivo experiments have confirmed our hull-hypothesis. End of story.
I don’t understand your position: you want to maximize health, uncover the ‘truth’ and abandon science at the same time.
To quote Wittgenstein: “what can be said at all can be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence.”
fruc-face
In vivo, fructose causes fatty liver (hepatosteatosis.)
ReplyDeleteThe effects of fructose are indirect -- that is, the inflammatory, oxidative, and glycative effects of fructose are due to fatty liver.
The glycation is a side-effect of fatty liver, not fructose alone.
Art Ayers at CoolingInflammation asserts that fructose causes cross-linking of collagen. However, if we look closely enough, the effects are not due to fructose itself.
I found a study that lipoic acid can prevent cross-linking on a high-fructose diet.[58] The study was performed on a low-fat diet, and the lipoic acid prevented some collagen cross-linking on fructose. However, lipoic acid was probably a measure which prevented the glycation of collagen and hemoglobin, caused by their high blood sugars, themselves. That led me to realize that the cross-linking may be caused by glucose, rather than fructose. A diet high in fructose but deficient in nutrients may induce high blood sugars, and that may be the reason which "fructose causes collagen crosslinking." So I don't know if the cross-linking was directly contributed by fructose, or if it was indirectly contributed by it, such as a nutrient deficiency. This was similar to the rat studies in which sucrose causes fatty liver, inflammation, insulin resistance, and oxidative stress. I don't know if the oxidative stress was directly contributed by fructose, or if the oxidative stress was indirectly contributed by fructose. Indirectly in the sense that fructose consumption on a nutrient deficient diet may contribute to fatty liver and inflammation, and the inflammation is what causes the oxidative stress; not the fructose itself. Some evidence supporting this is that rats which were fed honey don't have inflammation and oxidative stress, because honey has anti-inflammatory compounds.
I have compiled a list of the nutrients required for sugar metabolism. B-vitamins, biotin, carnitine, carnosine, taurine, beta-alanine, choline, and inositol - all have established roles in sugar metabolism. As well, they all have been demonstrated to reverse fatty liver disease. Feeding rats with carnosine, taurine, inositol, etc. could reverse their fatty liver.
Egg yolks are rich in biotin, choline, and inositol. Beef supplies carnosine, carnitine, taurine, and beta-alanine.
Furthermore, a lipase deficiency could cause fatty liver. Lipase is an enzyme required to break down fat. If lipase is deficient, the fat may build up in the liver, causing fatty liver.
Enzymes, such pancreatin, could play a role in preventing fatty liver disease.
REFERENCES
[58] Fructose Diet-Induced Skin Collagen Abnormalities Are Prevented by Lipoic Acid
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2478634/
[59] A Choline-Deficient Diet Exacerbates Fatty Liver but Attenuates Insulin Resistance and Glucose Intolerance in Mice Fed a High-Fat Diet
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/55/7/2015.full
[60] Carnitine and Choline
http://hanswuhealth.blogspot.com/2010/12/carnitine-and-choline.html
I apologize if this is a really stupid question, but can someone please explain how 'fatty liver' is diagnosed? How does one know if one has a 'fatty liver'? I had never heard of fatty liver before a few weeks ago, when my friend told me he had one. And now all this talk on here about it....
ReplyDeleteAlso, perhaps Lorelei, you can help me out here, or anyone else who knows. Remember when Matt was talking about the reverse wobble? The wobble that happens at night, when folks are up peeing and can't sleep and waking up with racing hearts. These folks are experiencing the wobble at night instead of during the day. Is there anything in Matt's new book that explains how to reverse this wobble? I've been following the basic RBTI protocol (big lunch, no foods, etc) for a while now but still have these 'sugar crashes' at night. I'm not doing any distilled or lemonade though, as I don't want to mess with that stuff without testing.
ReplyDeleteHi SJ,
ReplyDeleteDoes this article about Wobbles help?
rbti.info/Knowledge-base/wobbles.html
@Organism as a whole,
ReplyDeleteInteresting, you propose that oxidative stress contributes the most to AGE-products, right? Are you 100% positive that fructose can’t cause fructation directly?
Hyperglycemia probably directly mediates kidney failure, MI, ED, claudication, blindness, amputations the list goes on… Or do you disagree?
I just want to get this straight: you think that hyperglycemia is bad, but high serum fructose isn’t?
Hi Jacqueline,
ReplyDeleteThat helps in that I realize it's to do with remineralizing (or with getting minerals to where they need to be). I suppose that means that in order to reverse the night-time wobble to the day, I would need to take specific minerals based on my numbers.
I was hoping there was something I could do in the interim (besides sips of juice in the middle of the night, which I do), as I'm still not sure about RBTI and am holding off on the investment. I'm like Mulder's X-Files poster: "I want to believe," but I'm recovering from following some very damaging health advice for the past 4 years (80/10/10 raw vegan) so it's hard for me to jump right in. I do appreciate your help though.
I'm just going to lurk and find out how others do over the course of a few months...and then hopefully make more of an informed decision. Plus, I'm following the advice of a naturopath but results are very slow.
Challen Waychoff on the Heavenly Waters website makes the following statement: "My quest or goal is to fulfill Dr. Reams' dream as he stated it to me. "One day every home will be able to have some equipment and the parents will be able to test their family and loved ones in order to help them with their health."
ReplyDeleteIf, indeed, it was Dr. Reams' dream to have every home be able to have some equipment so that families can do their own testing in order to help them with their health, then I think Dr. Reams would be very grateful to Matt for helping to spread the word about RBTI and make it much more accessible to the public. Many people have never heard of RBTI and many who do hear about it are often scared off or turned off by what they read. But because people respect Matt and trust him, they have been willing to give RBTI the consideration and study it richly deserves. So we, the public, are grateful to Challen Waychoff for teaching Matt about RBTI and we are grateful to Matt for sharing what he learned with us so we can reap the health benefits. The dream of Dr. Reams is one step closer to coming true.
Candace is right. I don´t know what this blog is about, but it´s definitive not a health blog. Come on, do you really think Matt knows anything? He just write things other people wrote before, he is unable to show sources and he has a kiddy writing style.
ReplyDeleteHe is absolutely a "fun" blogger, not a health blogger. If you use this blog for health then you´re a Stonetard.
And come on - what the fuck is the RBTI stuff about? So Matt switched to a christian, non-scientific theory? Now more than ever you should use his posts as fun posts, not health posts.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea which diet he has. It´s hard to follow since he changes everything in a few seconds. In one moment fructose is bad, then it´s good and then it´s bad again. At one moment he writes you have to eat a lot of fat for fat metabolism and then it´s better eating a lot of carbs.
Come on guys, he wants to sell stupid ebooks and that´s it.
For those not on FB:
ReplyDeleteCandaceK (along with most likely "Challen") and some of the Anons are Erika, who has also gone by Moi, Original, Ricky, and probably others.
The girl has issues. Because of her misrepresentation of what Matt says on this blog, Matt has been asked by Challen to quit bringing RBTI to the masses (as I understand it... this is me paraphrasing what I read on FB). If she has so very much energy for all this crap, why doesn't she go home and take care of her family?
Matt is a standup guy, as far as I can tell. Erika, on the other hand... who you gonna believe?
Please get better, Erika. And leave Matt Stone alone. He's done the most for my health for the least money - and that I only gave to him after he'd proven his worth. Use your new found health to make the world a better place...
I absolutely second that. It seems to me that Matt has helped many people to the best of his ability and with only the best of intentions. Quit hating and use your energy on better things, like being happy.
ReplyDeleteHi Matt, I just started the HED but I'm still using sugar in some dishes. Do you think xylitol is ok as an alternative to sucrose? Thanks
ReplyDeleteAnon, I don't think Matt would recommend xylitol over sucrose; he doesn't really have a problem with sucrose in moderation and the right context (as per the article above!). But that's just what I think he would say.
ReplyDeleteMy apologies, the comment by "Challen the III" was a satirical comment by one of Matt's fans, not Erika as I had guessed... re-read it in that context. Hysterical! I'll let the commentator out himself.
ReplyDeleteStill, the other alter-egos do all belong to Erika. In the interest of truth. I'm not a big fan of the subterfuge.
Luckly I don´t know who or what an Erika is and what the problem with Erika and Matt was about cause I look only one, two times per month in this blog and I don´t care.
ReplyDeleteI have a problem to trust Matt (everyone should!) but that´s his own fault. Would he be able to show sources, it would be easier to trust him.
Even if he is sometimes right - he just copies things other health bloggers wrote before. I don´t have the feeling Matt uses his own head.
I am glad that I found out about RBTI years ago.
ReplyDeleteRBTI has given me a whole new way to look at health, but also at the world. It made me understand the basics, but there is much more out there. This journey began some 5 years ago, but is far from over. It has already brought better health to me and some close to me, but let’s not stop at that.
I am glad that I found out about RBTI years ago.
ReplyDeleteRBTI has given me a whole new way to look at health, but also at the world. It made me understand the basics, but there is much more out there. This journey began some 5 years ago, but is far from over. It has already brought better health to me and some close to me, but let’s not stop at that.
I am intrigued by RBTI, mainly because the more I read and think about it, the more it seems to connect many lose ends and hard to assess variables that have been muddying the waters during many years of my self experimentation.
ReplyDeleteI will say this though-RBTI practitioners seem to be useless at answering my emails.
I emailed Challen over a month ago=no reply
I emailed RBTI info last week=no reply
I emailed Olszta last week=no reply
Whatever.
@ Rocket,
ReplyDeleteYou made an interesting comment.
Normally the mails on RBTI.info will be answered the same day. It could be a day later because of the time difference.
I will look into this. I wonder if I can combine the name rocket with the name you used in the mail but I will see.
Did you use the contact form or the direct email address?
@ Rocket,
ReplyDeleteLooks like I found the submission from the contact form and I did answer within the normal 24 hours. But unfortunately the system does not enter the right mail address and I have to change that manually. I forgot. So the mail was sent but just not to you... Sorry about that.
I will try not to let that happen again but honesty makes me tell it has happened once before.
@ Jacqueline,
ReplyDeleteI used the form.
It wasn't a long-winded or specific email, just a general enquiry about the best way to get involved from London UK.
Maybe I'll drop you another. I'm just curious to know what the easiest and least expensive way of trying this out would be.
I was encouraged by your comments on these pages which have been very interesting.
@ Jacqueline,
ReplyDeleteI see you answered while I was responding.
Thanks.
I'll send you another message soon.
@ Rocket
ReplyDeleteI just answered you.
Looking forward to hear your opinion.
Matt, thanks so much for going down the rabbit holes for us and with us. Your support, wisdom and never-ending optimistic attitude has been a lifesaver for me. From getting me out of a no-carb diet, to helping me regain myself via RRARFing and all the way to now supporting me through the wonders of RBTI!
ReplyDeleteYour blog has been part of changing my life. Thank you so much for your efforts and your tireless continued support of us the people.
"I've learned people will forget what you said or did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
Maya Angelou
See you all on the new blog!
Lisa :)
I find it funny that Lorelei uses a false identity in the facebook rbti groups (Robert Risley) and comes here and bashes Erika for doing the same here and in facebook. I don't see the difference.
ReplyDeleteAnon, lmfao- rofl! that was hilarious! all we ask is that you use a consistent stage name- not hand out any personal information... for the love of reams!!- just click Name/URL and type something- anything. You can even be schizophrenic about it and use multiple names, for all i care.. and no need to go badmouthing sweet Hawaiigurl or nuthin' neither! i don't take kindly to people not acting kindly...
ReplyDeleteAthnamas, sweet pic- i stole it btw... i had forgotten where i got that one from... :)
CandiceK, that is completely ridiculous, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, after all. You need to reevaluate your definition of stealing.
Lorelei, geez, i missed alot on fb, apparently.-lol why in Ellen White's name would c-dog wan't to limit Matt plugging him? he's a bad businessman with an anachronistic, protectionist mentality apparently.. boy, challen should get out of the dark ages, and wake up to the 21st century already!
OMG did i miss alot!
ReplyDeleteoh yea, Organism as a Whole- that response to "fruc-face" was wonderfully written! :D
FrucAnon, way to change the subject.
... and to respond to the man with no name who says Matt is unscientific and a flip-flopper who can't choose between rigid dogmas, the whole point of this blog, i believe, is to break down rigid dogmas and get people to start thinking for themselves a bit more.
OMG, Challen Waychoff III posted here?! lol! I hope he isn't the real deal... he sounds like a very hateful and self righteous person. Someone who says something like that is no Christian, he's no Christian at all. Nor does he even come close to charismatic... lol!
and of course, I forgot to mention- what an effing well written and generally badass article this is, Matt!!
ReplyDeleteWell, you have finally passed through the meat-grinder; your zucchini has been thoroughly battered, wrapped in bacon, and deep fried (hopefully not using corn oil- ;) ..), now it is time to walk the final gauntlet, pass through the ring of flame, and hopefully not find yourself between Charybdis and Scylla, but rather choosing between honeydew and the milk of paradise; spiraling through astral plains of cosmic dusty nirvana emanating women; rocketing out through the heavens of rock leaving a trail of edenic feasting and joyful music for.... oh im trailing off a bit here, anyway, nice job dude.
Sorry, but Matt IS unscientific. Don´t get me wrong, I have no real problem with Matt. But for me it´s impossible to trust him when he never shows sources. How can the readers start thinking for themselve when Matt is unable to show his sources? So how do we know if Matt is right or interpreted something wrong?
ReplyDeleteSome people forget this is just a blog! Matt is just like the rest of us who read a lot of health and diet books. He just happens to blog his opinion after he reads them. Oh, and also pieces things together that make sense to him into his own e-books to sell a buck. But anyone can write a blog! I don't know why people hold bloggers up to such high standards. It's just opinions.
ReplyDeletetrina, since this is a blog about health it´s important(!) to show the sources. All other health bloggers I know do this. So I´m wondering why Matt is unable to do this - is he afraid that his sources are miserable or that his readers recognize he interpreted the sources wrong?
ReplyDeleteAll I wanna know are his sources. And I know that a lot people wants to know them!
Well, I've already said more than once that I don't have a FB account and borrow somebody else's. Not subterfuge. Still, why do I get to be Robert? I'd rather be Doug, he lives in Hawaii too and looks far more interesting (what, more than one person in Hawaii who's interested in RBTI? Inconceivable).
ReplyDeleteNope, sorry, I'm not Robert. I wouldn't post on FB (he does) and you should know he's not me just because he's far too pleasant!
Just cause I live in Hawaii doesn't mean the account I borrow says they live in Hawaii. The miracles of the world wide web (eyeroll).
LAST POST?! Sad to hear this is the end of this blog. But this blog went all to hell after AS stopped commenting anyway ha ha! I'm kidding obviously. But I know you guys know what I mean. She was fun AND smart AND beautiful (all that = sexy!) and she didn't take things too f*cking seriously geeeez! I have missed her. Not to take anything away from the other 180 ladies though your all beautiful!!
ReplyDeleteAS, if your still around I would like to swap emails with you if your interested. You don't need to post yours. If you respond I'll post mine so you can email me. That is if RobA or some other lucky guy hasn't swept you away ha ha.
HI-girl, quit feeding (into) the trolls girl. No need. We know you better than that too. No worries sweetheart.
I miss AS too.
ReplyDeleteI've been out of the loop for a while. I thought you were measuring mineral deficiencies and compensating for them with diet adjustments.
ReplyDeleteWhat's going on? What does Matt Stone now eat?
@Slaphap- I'm with you man. I've missed AS too. Shes even more beautiful and fascinating in the flesh once you get to know her. No I haven't seen her flesh. She won't let me dang it! :p
ReplyDeleteI miss AS's comments too and I'm a girl and I like boys! Her comments helped me a lot and were always interesting even when she went off topic. She really was fun.
ReplyDeleteI have to admit that I liked seeing her comments show up. I agree they were always interesting to read.
ReplyDelete-I'm a girl too
yea I got to jump in and say me to. so why has she not been around? anyone know?
ReplyDelete@AndrewH (from fruc-anon),
ReplyDelete“FrucAnon, way to change the subject.”
I responded to this assertion made by Organism as a Whole:
“The effects of fructose are indirect -- that is, the inflammatory, oxidative, and glycative effects of fructose are due to fatty liver.”
This is all conjecture, perhaps Organism as a Whole is dead on here, who knows. But in the ‘scientific’ discussion, fructose has been suggested to be a DIRECT glycating agent. You’re liver is constantly trying to keep your serum fructose low, it doesn’t get much higher than 35 μmol/L fructose (in healthy individuals at least). But in a lot diabetic patients, fructose is elevated in a number of tissues and in some cases the concentration of fructose and glucose are of the same magnitude.
An elevated level of serum glucose (i.e. hyperglycemia) has been thought to play a role in the formation of AGEproducts through Maillard reactions.
So that’s why I asked the trivial question: do we know hyperglycemia directly mediates AGEproduction? I think we do…
And if so: isn’t it reasonable to assume that intracellular fructose is a substrate for fructation?
What did I misread/misinterpret?
BTW: I fully understand that fructose is not the only factor, other factors have been implicated as well (for example trioses and dicarbonyl compounds.)
Guess I'm not the only one. I liked it when AS' posts came through my google reader. I would hit the refresh button to see if she was going to say something else. You know her multiple posts. Then I checked back everyday to see what she was going to say next. Was that just me?
ReplyDeleteHi my name is Dave. I am an AS-post-aholic. Been having withdrawals.
Okay, you guys are freakin' hilarious!
ReplyDeleteThis is my last post here.
GOTCHA! :)
ReplyDeleteObi,
Are you really Dave? That was funny! The flesh thing was really funny too... and you know still never gonna happen! lol :)
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To the girls and anons,
If you are real peeps and not just, ahem, someone's idea of a joke, then thanks for the comments :)
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Slhappy,
Can I call you Slhappy? That's what I hear in my head when I read your screenname, for some reason lol. As for swapping emails, I'd really rather remain anonymous. Besides, this hot guy swept me away with his sweeet moves...
http://youtu.be/kr7djGY1fhA
Oh my gawd! He turns me on!
Okay, see ya on the "mother ship" peeps! :)
ReplyDeleteAnd like my sexy man says, "EAT THE FOOD!" Go ahead. Click it. You know you want to.
@AS- I can't believe you would even think that I would do such a thing. You said "still" never gonna happen. So you're telling me there's "still" a chance? :p
ReplyDeleteObi,
ReplyDeleteChances are not good... http://youtu.be/yCFB2akLh4s
@AS- Wow I am impressed. I knew you would get it but that was impressive.
ReplyDeleteI read you. So I'm one in a million. YEAH!! :P
Obi,
ReplyDeleteLOL Okay, stop it! :)
And no more hijacking Matt's blog!
Wait! That sounds... uh never mind! :)
Well he is done with it anyway. Right? :p
ReplyDeleteAS, you can call me any thing you want ha ha. No problem girl. Thanks for the reply and entertainment ha ha. That shit was funny. Good to see you. Hope see more of you on the mothership.
ReplyDeleteDAVE (OBI?), I feel you man.
OBI, you dumb or dumber? Ha ha jus messin with you. Don't give up man looks like there's still a chance ha ha.
You guys are just jealous that I've tested AS's bodily fluids. And touched her Ian Astbury hair.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHNiYIvt7ag&feature=related
I'm not Dave damn it!!
ReplyDelete@Matt- tested or tasted? :p
ReplyDeleteSorry, no typos in my last comment.
ReplyDeleteStill waiting for your sources. Come on, be scientific!
ReplyDeleteSee, now that's why Matt is my favorite. Tact. And his talented camera skills too - he knows what I mean lol :)
ReplyDeleteBTW, I'm totally jealous of Ian's hair.
Matt,
You can test my bodily fluids anytime. My Dynamite Man won't like it, but if you have sweeter moves than him, I'll drop him like a white potato! :)
Sorry, no typos in my last comment - ha! :)
ReplyDelete@AS- Wait a minute. What was all that one in a million talk?!
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/mDLoT5sWOmE?t=16s
Soooo. Is the new blog up yet? Cause I don't understand the new site if it is...
ReplyDeleteWorking on it all day today. Hopefully it will come out in the next 24 hours. It's close.
ReplyDeleteSo you don´t have eggs, Matt? Come on, don´t be a little baby girl and show us your sources.
ReplyDeleteErica, is this really the best use of your new found energy? It can't be good for your numbers to behave this way.
ReplyDeleteSorry, still no idea what you are talking about. It would be weird having eggs with the name "Erica".
ReplyDeleteYea and it must be weird having balls with a name like Jannis too. Your hard-on for scientific evidence (aka out-of-context flawed biased BS) and that same telltale apostrophe in your previous anonymous comments of Peaty worship gave it away. Peat's references don't even support his conclusions. Typical. So-called scientific evidence is all just a bunch of biasedly subjective BS and referencing is a pointless waste of time. Go back to sucking Ray Peat's source.
ReplyDeleteAnd the next name - what did I miss?
ReplyDeleteTo the Peat point: You´re right. Sometimes Peat write things that do not fit to his references. But if you write him a mail he will give you the right sources. There is no point where Peat has no source.
And just what Jannis would say. Suspicion confirmed. The similarities are uncanny. Science-junkie (always lookin for a fix) who has a crush on Ray Peat with unwavering tolerance of his inconsistencies and a die-hard bone of contention with Matt Stone's search for truth. Science doesn't have all the answers. Show us the scientific evidence to explain gravity.
ReplyDelete@matt
ReplyDeleteOkay, glad I'm not just easy to confuse.
I don´t do everything Peat says. For example I would never drink low fat milk because I think whole milk is healthier. So where is my Peat crush? I also like the Weston Price foundation.
ReplyDeleteBut now I´m interested: Which article do I have to read for Erica and Jannis?
That was convincing. NOT! Even more convinced now. Your previous use of the word Stonetard was also a dead giveaway. Peatard.
ReplyDeleteYawn.
You came here to start trouble. You got it. Stop being an ass and whining about sources. Turn that negative energy into positive. Go do something nice for someone.